Response to Law Commission Consultation on Hate Crime Laws

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This post is available for download as a pdf here.

The Law Commission published a Consultation on proposals for new hate crime laws and hate speech laws in September’20 (deadline for submissions 24th December’20). Below I refer to both the main Consultation report (a snappy 533 pages) and also the Summary report a mere 22 pages), which between them have 82 questions which respondents are asked to consider. I address just a selection of questions in my submission (reproduced below). However, I preceeded my submission with an “essay” response which addresses generic issues, not least the intrinsic undesirability of hate crime laws. I have posted previously on this Consultation and misogyny hate crime.

(Un)desirability of Hate Crime Laws

I note that the Law Commission write “although not everyone agrees with hate crime laws, we have not been asked to review the fundamental question of whether they should exist at all”, but I cannot regard this as an acceptable prohibition because the matter is too serious.

It is not appropriate to respond to this Consultation simply by responding to the specific detailed questions (either the 20 questions of the Summary or the 62 questions of the main Consultation). This would be rather like responding to an enquiry as to whether you prefer to be, (a) punched, (b) kicked, (c) scalded, or, (d) starved, without having the option to decline all of them on grounds of generic undesirability. 

My Key Observations

Harmonious relations are not promoted by the spectre of criminal sanctions. No evidence is presented that the mutual respect which is necessary for harmonious relations within a diverse society is promoted by the imposition of hate crime laws or hate speech laws. One could equally assert that they will have the opposite effect. Moreover, laws of this kind invite a very reasonable accusation of creeping authoritarianism, which the Consultation document does little to dispel.

The most important issue is that the law should not, in either its de jure wording or its de facto working, serve to legitimise and hence to deepen existing prejudice. In the matter of sex, the Law Commission is at serious risk of doing just that, departing from unbiased consultation and presenting instead an explicit position, viz,

there is one group, namely women, who clearly satisfy the first two criteria for hate crime recognition on the basis of sex or gender. Men do not – there was little evidence to suggest that criminal targeting against men based on hostility or prejudice towards their gender is prevalent or causes additional harm.”

I contend that this claim is empirically false, and the purported evidence to support it actually arises from biases inherent in the means by which such evidence is obtained, these means being fatally contaminated by an inherent prejudice which any sex-based hate crime laws are in danger of deepening rather than alleviating.

As regards hate crime laws or hate speech laws generally, one must ask: where is the empirical evidence that such laws do not do more harm than good when the whole society is taken into account? The burden of proof is on those who propose such laws, but so such evidence has been presented.

Liberty & Liberalism

The matter of hate crime hinges essentially on personal liberty.

I note that para 3.64 of the Consultation refers to the classical liberal tradition (with which my views align), and quote J.S.Mill in his influential essay “On Liberty” as arguing that we should all have “absolute freedom of opinion and sentiment on all subjects, practical or speculative, scientific, moral or theological”. To go no further than that is a rather serious misrepresentation of Mill’s position, and, by association, of the whole body of classical liberal thought. Let me set the record straight on J.S.Mill by reminding readers of his more complete, and balanced, opinion. For example, here is another extract from “On Liberty”,

An opinion that corn-dealers are starvers of the poor, or that private property is robbery, ought to be unmolested when simply circulated through the press, but may justly incur punishment when delivered orally to an excited mob assembled before the house of a corn-dealer, or when handed about among the same mob in the form of a placard. Acts, of whatever kind, which, without justifiable cause, do harm to others, may be, and in the more important cases absolutely require to be, controlled by the unfavourable sentiments, and, when needful, by the active interference of mankind. The liberty of the individual must be thus far limited; he must not make himself a nuisance to other people.”

Hence, Mill – and classical liberals generally – are not so far from acknowledging some limitation to freedom of speech as is often supposed. However, what Mill envisages in this example as potentially legitimising restrictions to personal freedom is incitement to violence, not mere offensiveness or expressions of prejudice. This is also my position.

Before addressing some of the specific Consultation questions, I make some generic observations on the motivations for hate crime and hate speech laws itemised within the Consultation report.

Reasons for Hate Crime Laws

The reasons why England and Wales have chosen to implement hate crime and hate speech laws are cited (Summary p.8) as being,

  1. The additional harm hate crime causes to both the individual victim and the wider community;
  2. The symbolic function of the legislation as a tool for tackling bigotry, prejudice and inequality; and,
  3. The practical benefits flowing from it, such as the ability to monitor trends and encourage reporting by victims.

Bearing in mind J.S.Mill’s dictum that “the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilised community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others”, the first of these reasons is potentially valid. However, hate crime legislation itself must be subject to the same examination of harm. That the imposition of such laws may, by their divisiveness or skew in application, be harmful themselves has not be demonstrated, nor even considered. This is a very serious objection as there is already evidence within the Consultation report that the proposed laws would be skewed (e.g., to one sex rather than the other) either explicitly or as regards de facto application.

As for the second reason, it is rather odd to assert that a valid function of legislation is to be “symbolic”. More substantively, I would challenge whether legislation against (say) speech that some might regard as bigoted or prejudiced is indeed an effective tool for tackling it. If person A is punished by the State for expressing views which are judged prejudiced against person B, or a characteristic shared by person B, it is unlikely to diminish A’s undesirable attitude towards B, but rather to deepen it. The same is true even if, knowing he would be punished for expressing an opinion which others might consider prejudiced, person A instead bites his tongue. This also can only encourage a deepening resentment, which, regardless of the merits or otherwise of his initial position, becomes better justified in his being silenced.

It is an under-statement to say that legislation is a blunt tool for tackling bigotry and prejudice; it is the wrong tool. Such undesirable behaviour must be addressed within society by open exchange of factual evidence and communication, not the reverse. In short, hate crime laws are quite likely to be divisive, and hence not beneficial to society as a whole. So I return to the issue that the burden of proof is on those who would propose such laws: where is the empirical evidence that such laws do not do more harm than good when the whole society is taken into account?

As for the third reason, above, it is frankly preposterous to cite the “ability to monitor trends” as a valid motivation of a new law. One does not create a new law in order to gather sociological or criminological data. Nor does it make any logical sense to motivate a new law in order to “encourage reporting by victims”, since, prior to the introduction of the law there would be no victim to report! It is circular logic. But there is something even more serious amiss in area of “encouraging reporting by victims”. Where this “encouragement” is applied in a skewed manner (i.e., subject to sample bias) the results mislead rather than enlighten. I believe this is the case, for example, in the sex imbalance in the currently available data on sex-based hate crime / hate speech referenced in the Consultation (amplified below).

Rationale for Hate Speech Laws

The Summary / Consultation Paper also proposes specific rationales for hate speech laws, in particular,

  1. Protection of groups from violence incited by hate speech and maintenance of public order;
  2. Protection of vulnerable groups from the emotional and psychological harms of hate speech;
  3. Prevention of the social exclusion and marginalisation of vulnerable groups in society; and,
  4. Setting parameters for acceptable conduct, thereby fostering social cohesion.

The first rationale, (1), is legitimate, provided that the speech in question is genuinely likely to inspire violence. But what role does the word “hate” then play? One might as well frame the law around “speech which incites violence”, without the word “hate” being necessary. It is not necessary, then, that such provision lie within “hate crime” legislation, and one is reasonably suspicious that the purpose of alluding to “hate” is to weaken, in practice, the reliance upon the likelihood of inciting violence.

As for the second rationale, (2), psychological harm can indeed be very serious, although it usually requires prolonged contact between the individuals to be enacted. Real harm conducted through speech alone, and without any incitement to violence, is unlikely in a casual contact. But there is a real danger that insults, or speech that is regarded as offensive, is conflated with emotional harm. The rider that this category applies specifically to “vulnerable groups” only makes this concern greater, as the designation “vulnerable” predisposes the individual to misinterpret offense as damaging. Moreover, it begs the question as to who is regarded as “vulnerable”, and who not. In practice this opens the door to societal prejudice.

This is particularly pertinent in the case of the third rationale, (3). To be working class, heterosexual, white and male is unlikely to lead to you being regarded as vulnerable, and yet it is increasingly recognised that this demographic is amongst the most marginalised, in terms of educational attainment, employment, health, well-being and societal regard.  

Finally, I would ask where is the empirical justification for the claim made in the last rationale, (4)? One does not need to be a psychologist to appreciate that punishing someone, or threatening to punish them, on account of their behaviour towards another person is not likely to endear them to that person, whatever the actual merits or otherwise of the case. Legal sanctions are not what fosters social cohesion: that requires mutual respect and understanding which is not furthered by punishment. Rather than promoting social cohesion, hate crime laws are likely to promote increasing division and distrust. The burden of proof lies with those claiming otherwise.

In making these observations I am mindful of the arguments of Section 3 of the Consultation. However, those arguments do not overturn the above objections, and many of the points made in the Consultation reinforce the above points.

Hate Crimes and Mens Rea

It is worth remarking on a potential confusion between mens rea and hate crime. Mens rea is an established, valid and just principle which recognises that intent, and/or premeditation, are highly significant in judging culpability. But mens rea does not address motivation, nor does motivation for an act usually impact upon legislative culpability. Hate crimes are unusual in respect of motive being held to be an aggravating factor. This raises specific questions which have nothing to do with mens rea proper. I note that the Consultation para 3.43 makes this point by reference to Hurd. But hate crimes render the same act as worthy of greater punishment for some motives than others, and align these aggravating motives with protected characteristics. The worst aspect of this is that such hate crime laws are likely to be deployed in a skewed manner, not equitably. Hence, those who are straight, white, male and Christian will tend to be on the receiving end of punishment, but not of protection. 

In what follows, blue text indicates the Consultation question…

Summary Consultation Question 1 (Consultation Question 3). We provisionally propose that the criteria that should be considered for the addition of any further characteristics into hate crime laws should be:

  • evidence that criminal targeting based on prejudice or hostility towards the group is prevalent.
  • evidence that criminal targeting based on hostility or prejudice towards the characteristic causes additional harm to the victim, members of the targeted group, and society more widely.
  • protection of the characteristic would fit logically within the broader offences and sentencing framework, prove workable in practice, represent an efficient use of resources, and is consistent with the rights of others.

Do you agree?

I do not agree.

An essential fourth criterion is missing, namely, that,

  • The Hate Crime Law does not cause more harm than it prevents.

There is no examination within the Consultation or its cited works of the harm that may be introduced by hate crime laws themselves. Such harm may come about because an harmonious society rests upon mutual respect, not upon threats of criminal sanction which are likely to exacerbate divisions. Moreover, hate crime laws are likely to be deployed in a skewed manner, not equitably. Hence, those who are straight, white and male will be on the receiving end of punishment, but not of protection.

Consultation Question 11. 21.19 We provisionally propose that gender or sex should be a protected characteristic for the purposes of hate crime law. 21.20 Do consultees agree?

I do not agree.   The Law Commission have stated their own conclusion on this question based on their claim that the criteria Need and Additional Harm have been demonstrated for women but not for men. But this claim is invalid and ultimately springs from endemic, society-wide prejudice which skews concern to one sex.   The claim of Demonstrated Need for female victims is based in large part on surveys which deploy an incorrect definition of hate crime and are therefore invalid.   The claim is made that women are subject to more gendered online abuse. There are two problems with this: firstly, there are surveys which show the exact opposite (quoting Guardian articles is not credible evidence), and secondly, very little of such verbal abuse meets the “threatening or inciting violence” criterion and hence should not, in my view, by subject to legislation.   However, the deeper problem is dismissal of any issue for men, “there was little evidence to suggest that criminal targeting against men based on hostility or prejudice towards their gender is prevalent or causes additional harm”. This is wildly incorrect and, ironically, stems from the very type of prejudice that the Law Commission is ostensibly trying to protect against but is, on this point, in danger of legitimising. As the author of a near-700 page book on male disadvantages I have reason to be well aware of the serious prejudice faced by men and boys and the enormous harm that is done thereby.   The smaller number of males reporting “hate crimes”, e.g., in the CSEWs or surveys reported by women’s groups, is not a valid measure of relative prevalence, noting that in these surveys it is the victims’ perception which defines the “hate”. This is not an objective measure but actually a purely subjective perception. Women are encouraged by the prevailing orthodoxy to interpret offences as targeting them “because they are a woman”. Men are not socialised in this way, and so fail to appreciate that much of their personal difficulties may have an origin which is generic to their sex. Consequently, the hate crime data is less about crime, or hate, and more a huge exercise in gendered perceptions originating from both innate and socialised gendered psychological proclivities.

Consultation Question 11. 21.21 We invite consultees’ views on whether gender-specific carve outs for sexual offences, forced marriage, FGM and crimes committed in the domestic abuse context are needed, if gender or sex is protected for the purposes of hate crime law.

To introduce sex-skew by design in these areas where there is already massive de facto sex bias would be retrograde in the extreme. I oppose it. These issue take us well beyond hate crime laws, but for completeness I make some brief points.

To regard sexual offences or forced marriage where the victim is male to be less serious than if the victim is female would simply be discrimination and is completely unacceptable. There is already a massive societal skew in the perception of sexual offences which leads to victimisation of men being largely neglected. The law of rape is one of the few laws which is explicitly sex-specific (defined as penetration using a penis). This is a bald anomaly given that sexual offences are defined by consent. Yet, in practice, coercion of a man by a woman to undertake sexual acts without his consent is far, far more common than the public acknowledge and yet is never punished due entirely to public prejudice being reflected by the criminal processes (starting with the police). This is perhaps the most serious inequality of our times, but which society is still too immature to face.

Male genital mutilation (MGM, euphemistically called “circumcision”) is an offence under the assault laws, but is tolerated in practice. Sir James Munby, former President of the Family Division, has ruled that MGM constitutes “significant harm”. However, he avoided the controversy that would have resulted from declaring MGM illegal by the simple expedient of bowing to custom and practice. In short, MGM is a form of harmful assault which is tolerated in practice solely due to almost universal prejudice that such harms are acceptable if, and only if, perpetrated upon males. This prejudice applies even if the male is a child or baby and is utterly  abhorrent.

Consultation Question 12. 21.22 We invite consultees’ view as to whether sex or gender-based hate crime protection should be limited to women or include both women and men.

There should be no hate crime law based on either one gender/sex or both, for the reason given above. In practice it will make little difference whether the protection is for one sex only (perhaps expressed in terms of misogyny) or notionally for both (perhaps including the term misandry) because widespread societal prejudice will ensure that, in reality, protection is not afforded to men or boys. However, I note that protection offered to one sex only would seem peculiarly at odds with other primary legislation (Equality Act 2010) as the protected characteristic is “sex” not “female”.

Consultation Question 13. 21.23 We provisionally propose that a protected category of “women” is more suitable than “misogyny”, if sex or gender-based hate crime protection were to be limited to the female sex or gender. 21.24 Do consultees agree?

Both are unacceptable for the reasons given above. Such a law merely deepens existing widespread prejudice.

Consultation Question 14. 21.25 We provisionally propose a protected category of “sex or gender” rather than choosing between either “gender” or “sex” if hate crime protection were to adopt a general approach. 21.26 Do consultees agree?

Both are unacceptable for the reasons given above.

Summary Consultation Question 12 (Consultation Question 45). We provisionally propose that intentionally stirring up hatred should be treated differently to the use of words or behaviour likely to stir up hatred. Specifically, where it can be shown that the speaker intended to stir up hatred, it should not be necessary to demonstrate that the words used were threatening, abusive, or insulting. Do you agree?

I do not agree. Speech should be constrained only when there is a clear case of incitement to violence. This suggestion fails that test. Moreover no definition is given of what constitutes “hatred” only that it may not involve threats, abuse or insults.

Summary Consultation Question 13 (Consultation Question 47). Where it cannot be shown that the defendant intended to stir up hatred, we provisionally propose that the offences should cover only “threatening or abusive” (but not “insulting”) words or behaviour likely to stir up hatred. Do you agree?

I do not agree. Speech should be constrained only when there is a clear case of incitement to violence. This suggestion fails that test.

Summary Consultation Question 15 (Consultation Question 43). Under what circumstances, if any, should online platforms such as social media companies be criminally liable for dissemination of unlawful material that they host? If “actual knowledge” is retained as a requirement for platform liability, should this be the standard applied in other cases of dissemination of inflammatory material where no intention to stir up hatred can be shown?

Under no circumstance should online platforms be criminally liable for content posted by independent users of their service. The emerging new EU legislation is expected to enshrine as its first Principle that online intermediaries should not be held liable for user content. This is soundly argued on the basis that shifting liability to the platform would inevitably mean that they would have to implement draconian procedures (perhaps via algorithms) which would need to err on the cautious side, in order to address huge volumes of material daily and protect themselves. Making online platforms liable would be a virtual guarantee that online speech would not longer be free.

Summary Consultation Question 16 We provisionally propose that: the current protections for discussion of religion and sexual orientation should apply to the new offence of stirring up hatred; similar protections be given in respect of transgender identity, sex/gender and disability. Do you agree and if so what should these cover?

I agree that the existing protections to ensure that nothing in the definition of hate crime or hate speech offences prohibits or restricts discussion, criticism or expressions of antipathy, dislike, ridicule, insult or abuse should be retained and applied to any additional protected characteristics to which hate laws are applied.

Consultation Question 54. 21.93 We provisionally propose that prosecutions for stirring up hatred offences should require the personal consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions rather than the consent of the Attorney General. 21.94 Do consultees agree?

I do not agree. The volume of “stirring up hatred” offences is rightly controlled at a very high level of seniority, namely at Attorney General level. This should be retained.

Consultation Question 55. 21.95 We invite consultees’ views on whether the current exemptions for reports of Parliamentary and court proceedings should be maintained in a new offence. Further, we invite views as to whether there are any additional categories of publication which should enjoy full or partial exemption from the offence, such as fair and accurate reports of local government meetings or peer reviewed material in a scientific or academic journal.

Nothing should interfere with academics’ freedom to publish material in academic journals where the journal editors themselves (as advised by independent peer reviewers) are happy that the content is based on sound empirical or theoretical reasoning – the only exception being the threat or incitement to violence (which is extremely improbably within scientific journals). The Journal itself, or its editors, are potentially legally liable, but any attempt to limit academic freedom should be firmly resisted by professional bodies. I personally would not respect such restrictions based on their being inimical to the public good.

Summary Consultation Question 20 (Consultation Question 62). Should a Hate Crime Commissioner be introduced in England and Wales?

No.

Consistent with my overall view that “hate crime” is to be avoided as a concept except where it becomes synonymous with credible threats of, or incitement to, violence, it is highly undesirable to introduce a Hate Crime Commissioner. The inevitable consequence of such a post would be to create a self-fulfilling prophecy of apparently escalating hate crimes as the Commissioner would have a vested interested in such a perception and would be ideally placed to create the evidence.

16 thoughts on “Response to Law Commission Consultation on Hate Crime Laws

  1. David Dixon

    This is surely another attack on freedom of speech (just like political correctness) in my experience it is almost impossible to publicly express any opinion (even when supported by irrefutable facts) that criticizes or goes against feminist ideas. If this law is passed it will become illegal to disagree with a feminist.
    Freedom of speech has already been badly eroded over the last few years and this is now being used to silence legitimate opinions.

    I have a right to hate tomato’s and making it illegal won’t make them taste any different, it only becomes a problem if it drives me to commit an illegal act as a result of my opinion (like the suffragettes did), so let us be free to have, express and debate our opinions and only punish us when we commit a crime (we don’t need thought police). My opinion may be wrong (in your and everyone else’s opinion) but I am entitled to it and should not be frightened into not expressing it.

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  2. Dennis

    ‘We provisionally propose that a protected category of “women” is more suitable than “misogyny”’

    I wonder how they will define the ‘category of “women”’ (needed even for “misogyny”)? I suspect they won’t so what’s to prevent anyone simply declaring themselves a women making the “crimes” women on women.

    I agree with Dick Morris that we should find a way to get this to our MP’s. Can you make this available as a PDF that can be downloaded? Can we then get JM4B and other MRA organisations to publicise this as something to download and forward to MP’s? There does seem to be growing awareness of men’s rights but we need to make our representatives away of this and aware of the facts.

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  3. Logan

    What a coincidence that all these laws are being passed in Scotland, England, Ireland, etc – all at the same time. It’s almost like it was planned that way. Meanwhile, the entire economy has been shut down and detonated for a form of flu. If I was prone to Conspiracy Theories, I might think something was going on…

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  4. Nigel Johnson

    Thank you for publishing this. As always “consultations” rarely include anyone from beyond the “Westminster Village”

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  5. Dick Morris

    Another point I would make is about The Law Commission stating that there is little evidence that men and boys are subject to or affected by hate. I would ask four questions. 1. How does The law Commission know this? Did they conduct a survey? If they did, I did not hear of it. 2. Even if there is merely a remote chance a male might be affected, shouldn’t he be protected in the same way that females will be? 3. What difference will giving protection to males make to the protection being given to females? (None. Although it might put at risk the odd hateful feminist I suppose!) 4. In the interests of sex equality alone, shouldn’t protection also be given to males?

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    1. Logan

      I made this same point to someone in a YouTube comment: There is no need to exclude any group on the basis that they may theoretically be less likely to need the protection of these laws. Simply make them applicable to everyone, and then in the event they do need them – they will be there. The person I was speaking to just couldn’t get off the ‘there’s no need’ mindset, and no matter how many times I pointed out making it inclusive wouldn’t actually be any more difficult, they just wouldn’t have it. I concluded the only reason anyone wants them to have only specific groups named is the same reason sexism / racism, etc, were redefined in academia – so one group could abuse another with impunity, and that group couldn’t defend themselves. ‘Hate Crime’ is about allowing for both hate and crime to be directed at a specific group without the same level of outrage or punishment, and if that weren’t the case everyone would be covered by them.

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      1. Dick Morris

        That’s it, of course. We’ve already heard of little girls saying to little boys: “I can hit you but you can’t hit me!” They can also say: “I can rape you but you can’t rape me!” Now it will be: “I can hate you, but you can’t hate me!” It’s superiority, of course. (Incidentally, was the person you were conversing with a female/feminist?) What is appalling is that any government would allow this, and not insist that in days of sex equality, there should be equality. It’s a simple argument, after all.

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        1. Logan

          I remember when some boys around 10 or 11 were being picked on by some girls of about 14 (the period when girls are taller than boys) one of the boys said “In a few years I’ll be bigger than you” and the girl replied “But then you won’t be able to touch me because boys can’t hurt girls” (paraphrasing from memory). That was decades ago. They knew it then and they know it even more now.
          The person I was speaking to was a female feminist (young-ish I think), and no matter how many times I pointed out the illogic of not simply applying all rules to everyone (you know – fairly), the broken record of “but they don’t need it…” kept coming back. Equality has become ‘equity’ and that means whatever they want it to.

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  6. Dick Morris

    I am sure you submitted your views to the relevant authorities, but do you know whether they, or anyone closely connected with them, actually got to read them? Another approach, I think, would be to forward them to an MP who would be likely to respond favourably. The number of these has recently doubled (with Ben Bradley joining Philip Davies), so our chances have improved an incredible one hundred percent! If the rule is that only a constituent can approach an MP, which I believe I read somewhere, it should be possible to appeal to one of the two gentlemen’s constituents through the pages of J4MB, or mensrightsreddit, and ask them to do the job.

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      1. Dick Morris

        Mine (another “conservative”) does respond, but he, for one reason or another, doesn’t understand a thing you tell him. He’s too busy checking his remuneration, I suppose.

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    1. Nigel Johnson

      Anyone can write to an MP. Whether the MP listens or does anything is up to them. After all most MPs have interests in issues and groups that live outside their constituency. Though I do not live in his constituency I have had polite responses from the estimable Mr Davies.

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    2. Mike Bell

      I always suggest you follow up any message you send to your MP with a phone call to their office a few days later.
      The attention of an MP is divided between the Commons agenda and constituency matters. The total of these overwhelms them all. One researcher told me the MP can receive 200 emails a day and that his job was to sort through and decide what should be brought to the MP’s attention.
      Most messages are received (and replied to) by their office staff without reference to the MP. They are mostly ‘cut and paste’ jobs using existing paragraphs.
      If you call, politely, and ask whether the MP has had the chance to see your message, you are immediately lifted out of anonymity and start to become a person. I have always found the reception positive.
      The real ‘waste of time’ is not sending a message, it’s failing to follow up on it.

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  7. AJ

    In your comment on the reasons for hate crime laws you did not comment on:

    1. The additional harm hate crime causes to both the individual victim and the wider community;

    This statement makes two seperate claims -that there is additional harm to the individual and that there is additional harm to the wider community from hate crimes.

    The first part of the claim is I think indefensible, if for example someone is assaulted and beaten for a reason not categorised as a hate crime are they really harmed less than if the same person was assaulted in the same way but with a motivation not categorised as a hate crime? This is nonsense.

    Is the damage to society of hate crimes greater than attacks that are not hate crimes? This is harder to dismiss, it is conceivable that they cause conflict between different groups and this could damage society but whereas this could be argued for race or religon does this really make sense for disability or even sex?

    I don’t think the concep tof hate crimes make sense. It shoudl simply be the absence of any mitigating factor in the commision fo a crime if there is no legitimate claim of provocation etc.

    Howeve rif hate criems are to exist the in addition to the objection that making women a protected characteristic is being quite nakedly sexist. There must be an objection that despite many claims to the contrary the evidence is that actual misogyny, that is hatred of women and acts based on hatred of women is extremely rare. Claims of misogyny are on the other hand extremely common. Most people would accept that racism exists and that attacks motived by racism occur. I would not go quite as far as to say misogyny does not exist but it is quite clear that almost all behaviour described as misogynistic is not motivated by hatred and frequently is applied to equality of treatment or arguments for equality of treatment of women equally and men. It is very clear from the statistics on the victims of crime that men rather than women are morevlikely to be assaulted and therefore the evidence is that if only one sex were to be protected it should be men.

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  8. Epistemol

    Hate speech laws are in themselves fairly hateful, because of their obvious capacity for politicial, weaponisd misuse.
    I would characterise them as either,
    1. PC nonsense on stilts, or
    2. Intentionally and deliberately malicious.

    I’m inclined to favour the latter myself on the grounds of their functionality in the securing and wielding of POWER…

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